A blog about asexuality

Sex and Gender in Understanding Asexuality

This is the first of a series of posts I plan to make about Dr. Anthony Bogaert’s recent book Understanding Asexuality. It will probably be one of the most harshly critical posts in the series, because much in the chapter on sex and gender is at odds with my lived experiences as a transgender person and as a person who has experienced female socialization.

Raggedybearcat made a post a few days ago about Chapter 6 of Understanding Asexuality and pointed out that there are undertones in it that can be interpreted as “women are more likely to be asexual because it’s normal female sexuality.” The chapter begins with a discussion on recent work on (cis) women’s sexuality as compared to (cis) men’s. Bogaert writes uncritically about the idea that cis women’s sexuality is less targeted and more fluid than cis men’s sexuality, an idea put forth by various researchers, including J. Michael Bailey and Ray Blanchard, whose papers are cited in the chapter. Bogaert also cites Kenneth Zucker, a researcher who supports anti-trans and anti-gay reparative therapy on children, a few times in the chapter.

Bailey and Blanchard are the researchers who have argued, based on cis men’s arousal patterns, that non-monosexuality (e.g. bisexuality, pansexuality, et al.) among DMAB individuals does not exist. Blanchard is also known for having published papers classifying trans women as either “homosexual transsexuals” (meaning heterosexual trans women) or “autogynephiliacs” (meaning trans women who experience any sexual attraction to other women–which Blanchard describes as a fetish). J. Michael Bailey is the author of The Man who Would Be Queenwhich is a book that is about DMAB gender atypicality. In the book, Bailey defends Blanchard’s above-mentioned typology of trans women that contradicts the lived experience of the vast majority of trans women.

The fact that Bogaert cites Blanchard, Bailey and Zucker for several things in this chapter related to gender was something I found alarming. It is true that all three of them are considered “experts” on trans people in their fields, but they are absolutely not considered such by trans people themselves.

Bogaert favors a prenatal-brain-structure-organization theory for the origins of gender identity and sexual orientation, where atypical brain structure organization results in being trans*, non-binary or (if cis) non-heterosexual. He acknowledges binary trans people who experience body dysphoria and nonbinary people who don’t, but he leaves out binary trans people who don’t experience body dysphoria and nonbinaries who do–presumably because there has been more research on the previous two groups.

Bogaert suggests in this chapter that asexual DFAB people are more likely to have brains that are “neither ‘masculine’ nor ‘feminine,’” which leads to nonbinary gender identity. He also suggests that some nonbinary asexual people developed a nonbinary gender identity because of their asexuality, and I agree with what Raggedybearcat writes in the post of theirs I linked above: I don’t buy that there is a causal relation between someone’s gender identity and someone’s sexual orientation in either direction. I think that Bogaert’s claim also reflects a poor understanding of the complexity and diversity of nonbinary gender identities, especially because there are nonbinary people who experience loose male identification, loose female identification, strong male AND female identification, fluctuating levels of male and female identification, identification with no gender, identification with all genders, etc.

I take issue with the idea he puts forth in the last sentence of the chapter that asexual women are less likely to be feminine “because they are not as socialized to be an object of desire.” Asexual women are not immune to the cultural expectation that women should be objects of heterosexual male desire, and to say they are immune reflects a poor understanding of what asexual women (and non-asexual-spectrum women) have written about their own experiences of socialization.

5 Responses

  1. I think it’s fair to say that women’s arousal patterns, so far as they can be studied by researchers, are indeed much more fluid than mens; it is also true that study suggests that women’s sexuality may function differently than mens in many ways, which is why women often are diagnosed with a lot of seeming “sexual dysfunctions”, etc. However, it should be noted that most studies about fluidity difference in men/women refer to only *arousal patterns* not sexual orientation. And what they prove is not so much that women are necessarily less monosexual, but just that such studies aren’t a practical way to study women’s sexual orientation, as arousal patterns do not correlate to sexual orientation. Also, even such studies in men have a lot of problems with methodology still not being completely reliable, so everything should be taken with a grain of salt.

    And that, I think, is the root of many of my issues with Bogaert’s claims in this book: he throws out many of his unproven suppositions far too uncritically. Many sections of his book, which refer to his own and others published research on asexuality, are mostly pretty good. The problem is when he starts trying to discuss asexuality in relation to other factors that have not yet been studied. Although his suppositions in this area are basically still hunches without any real data to support them, he presents them as serious research. He also mentions a lot of somewhat…outdated ideas in the field of sexuality research, many of which have been regarded as based on stereotypes or only certain subsets of the population, rather than being well-studied general patterns. He also doesn’t really discuss the ways that many of these theories are still contested and that a lot of data shouldn’t be taken at face value.

    September 15, 2012 at 3:21 am

    • While they are referred to as “women’s” arousal patterns, I think it might be much more accurate to describe the phenomenon as arousal patterns in people in whom estrogen is the dominant sex hormone. Trans people on hormone replacement therapy typically report changes in the way they experience sexual arousal, and I have found that this is true of me (I’m female-assigned-at-birth and on testosterone) as well. Since there is no research on the effect of HRT on arousal patterns of trans people, however, I think we should refer to those studies as being about cis women’s and cis men’s arousal patterns.

      I agree with that Bogaert is too quick to uncritically conjecture in the book, especially when he is going on research that is outdated or contested (as I believe Blanchard’s and Bailey’s works are). Blanchard’s typology of trans women, which Bogaert lists in the bibliography, is definitely considered outdated. Several of Blanchard’s and Bailey’s recent papers that refer to trans women as “male gender dysphorics” and “autogynephilics” are also cited there, and I’d classify those as hotly contested as well (even if only for the important reason that they are conducted in an extremely degendering way toward trans women).

      September 15, 2012 at 3:42 am

      • Hm, yeah, that is a good point about specifying cis-women’s and cis-mens arousal patterns – thanks for catching that.

        It also kind brings up another issue in the measurement of arousal patterns in cis-men and cis-women: the ways that they are measured is different, which could also possibly account for some sex-based differences. (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_arousal#Assessment_of_genital_arousal for some examples of varying measurements).

        Because the systems used to study (cis)male/female arousal are not direct correlates, it’s possible that factors other than just different sexuality styles are causing the differences. In addition, I’ve heard that some studies on male arousal eliminate the results of men who do not have measurable reactions (which can be a rather large number). And many factors such as stress, general health, and other personal factors can affect arousal, so studies can indicate general trends but still have to be taken with a grain of salt.


        And re studies of arousal in trans* people (specifically those on HRT) could actually be something very interesting. I know that the presence of testosterone can increase sex drive (as in the frequency/strength of desires for sexual gratification) and estrogen can lower it, but I have no idea if that would affect patterns of arousal by subject. (Although it;s been proven that it doesn’t “flip” orientaiton from straight to gay or vice-versa, I have no idea if it could increase “flexibility” of attractions) That and the fact that measurements are so gender/sex specific that I wonder if experiments with trans* subject would show anything different.

        September 21, 2012 at 7:59 pm

  2. “I take issue with the idea he puts forth in the last sentence of the chapter that asexual women are less likely to be feminine “because they are not as socialized to be an object of desire.” Asexual women are not immune to the cultural expectation that women should be objects of heterosexual male desire, and to say they are immune reflects a poor understanding of what asexual women (and non-asexual-spectrum women) have written about their own experiences of socialization.”

    This^ especially was something that bothered me. The pressures on women to be pretty, feminine, presentable, etc. are way stronger than he seems to imply, and most are societal – they don’t just result from thinking “Hm, I want a man. I know! I’ll act all feminine!” Regardless of attraction, women (and everyone really) will still face heavy pressures from society to conform – which for women means being feminine, wearing makeup, nice clothes, etc. etc.

    In addition, his statement that asexuals might be less likely to face eating disorders appears to have no basis whatsoever, it’s just an idea thrown out of maybe a few minutes musing. It’s the kind of think that could make an interesting blog post, but doesn’t really belong in an book like this.

    In addition, the only time I’ve ever seen anything academic about asexuality and eating disorders was a speculation from one study that there appeared to be *higher* rates of asexuality among men with eating disorders, so…..yeah. (Although that was still just speculation and unconfirmed)

    tl;dr: while I think Bogaert has a generally good fundamental understanding of asexuality basics, esp. the study that has already be done, but when he starts getting into other less studied subject and attempting to link them to asexuaity, he seems much less reliable, and seems to be making a lot of assumptions.

    (He also seems a bit out of touch at times – for example, he doesn’t seem to understand the prevelence of romantic orientation labels among aces, and he got the history of our use of the term completely wrong)

    September 15, 2012 at 3:28 am

    • I agree with everything you’ve said here!

      September 15, 2012 at 3:43 am

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